Dorothy: [00:00:00] Today we’re doing this episode in honor of Kathy Edwards, who was a dear friend to me, to The Rose, and to our guest today, Sarah Cain. Sarah brings us a lot of different aspects to life. You know, she’s one of those that believes strong people need help too. She understands what it means to network with others, but most of all, what we learned from her is there are three kinds of cancers. The treatable, the curable, and the terminal. This is a woman who carries a cancer gene and understands it at a very deep level.
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Sarah, thank you so much for being with us today. It’s just such delight to be in the presence of a a woman who has been called a living legend.
Sarah: Aw.
Dorothy: Come on.
Sarah: You’re so sweet. Thank you for having me, Dorothy.
Dorothy: Well, I tell you what you talk about role models. You have been one, and I’m always amazed at how you’ve started so many different organizations or businesses. But today let’s talk a little bit about women driving business and uh, I think about 20 years ago, when did you get that vision? 20 plus, right?
Sarah: It’s 20. This is the 21st year.
Dorothy: Ah.
Sarah: Well, um. I knew that women networked [00:02:00] differently than men, and I needed a vehicle to get some sort of organization out. And, um, I came up with an idea of approaching the Houston West Chamber of Commerce, Jeannie, Bollinger. To start women driving business. And I went to her with my idea and my plan and my reasoning. And my reasoning was, is I need to get in front of. C-level executive women business owners for, uh, my floral shop at the time. And so this was an opportunity for me to come up with that vision and get all women in the room because women support each other, not only personally, but professionally. And they socialize together and they have breakfast together, and they have lunch together. And so that’s how we came up with the idea.
Dorothy: But you had a little different vision than most women’s organizations or service [00:03:00] clubs or networks. I’ve been to a lot of women’s networks things, but when women driving business puts on an event, it is not a single event. Describe all the things that go on with that.
Sarah: It’s multi-level events.
Dorothy: Yes.
Sarah: Which makes it unique. And at the time we were, I wanna say the first women’s organization to be out there with a lot of different, uh, types of women. And so, uh, to make this organization work, as I said, we have breakfast together, so we decided that our sponsors would have a sponsor breakfast and be able to invite guests so we can introduce each other.
And it was a beautiful, beautiful settings that we’d have with flowers and great gift baskets and.
Dorothy: Oh yeah.
Sarah: Just fabulous speakers as speakers that really took it over to that next level at the luncheon. And so the [00:04:00] luncheon, we would either have a panel of women or we would have. A woman that was very, very successful. And you know, as women, we think, how did she get that successful? What did she do to break through the glass ceiling? And it was important for women to realize that a woman of that status and that wealth goes through and went through the same thing as any other woman. And that is we cry, we have families, we have husbands.
We feel like we’re failures at some point, and we get up and we pick ourselves up and we move forward. And I believe what my intent was is for every woman to know that they can reach at any level. And believe in themselves. And so that was the [00:05:00] main purpose for me to get all levels of women in that room and have the connections.
And have the mentorships that they needed. And of course with strong women at that level could connect because that was their target market to be in the same room together. And then of course, the social, everybody likes, you know, a glass of wine when they get off work.
Dorothy: Well, I think it was the prizes, the door prizes, the.
Sarah: Yes.
Dorothy: Oh. I mean, you look forward to going to it just to open up that little bag at your table. I mean, it was just wonderful.
Sarah: Wasn’t, wasn’t that fun? It was, we had some great, great people on our committee and, and they still do have a great committee.
Dorothy: Yeah, and you’re right about your speakers. They, they were all inspiring. It didn’t matter who they were. You, you left there feeling like you had, had something you could go forward with.
Sarah: Well, the, the purpose is what you [00:06:00] walked away with. That experience that you developed in that room, and it was more about relationship building than sales.
Dorothy: Yeah.
Sarah: Ask the people, let’s, let’s have coffee or let’s have lunch to get to know that person better. And that worked beautifully for me, especially with the business that I had at the time, which was Sarah’s florist, which is still in existence.
Dorothy: Yes.
Sarah: And I needed to get to that type of woman.
Dorothy: Now, how long had you had Sarah’s florist before this began? Women Driving Business.
Sarah: About 20 years, maybe? Yeah, about 20 years. It was a long time.
Dorothy: Wow.
Sarah: A long, long time. And I knew in the floral industry that I appreciate, I totally appreciate the walk-in customer that bought the dozen roses and, [00:07:00] and the, the different arrangements that went out. But what I needed was the C-level executive woman or a big business that would support me nationwide and of course all the holidays and you know, the big events that they had. And that was my purpose and my reasoning and my vision to help build my business. And it worked.
Dorothy: It worked, and your arrangements were very unique.
Sarah: Thank you.
Dorothy: Now let’s, let’s grant that you did not see any arrangements like yours.
Sarah: Thank you.
Dorothy: You even knew where you had been. If you went to something else, you went, oh, well that had to be from Sarah’s course. You know, that was.
Sarah: Thank you.
Dorothy: They were absolutely beautiful.
Sarah: Thank you. I appreciate that.
Dorothy: Now we can talk about all your other newly founded or older businesses, but let’s stay with women driving business for just a minute.
Sarah: Sure.
Dorothy: We did not know about women driving business until someone very special to both of us came in.
Sarah: Yes.
Dorothy: And that was [00:08:00] Kathy Edwards?
Sarah: Kathy. Yes.
Dorothy: And I don’t know if you knew this, but Kathy and I sat in a, uh, Silver Fox round table group. I did know that before I ever even knew about women driving business. We were the only two women there.
Sarah: Really?
Dorothy: And both of us. And Kathy was just deliberate. I mean, she went there with a purpose. She was gonna learn something from these businessmen. And it didn’t take long for me to realize they were learning from her because she was very, uh, strategic at her thinking. Yes, she was very, uh, visionary.
Sarah: Yes.
Dorothy: In, in her own way.
Sarah: Yes.
Dorothy: So she was, we had that, that, uh, relationship faded away. And then one day she calls and she apparently had already talked to you about her plan.
Sarah: I remember the day.
Dorothy: And what did she, how did she describe it?
Sarah: She, she, well, we were looking for a [00:09:00] presenting sponsor. I forget the year, and I’m sorry, I can’t remember the year, but it’s some time ago. And we were looking for a presenting sponsor. So she called me, she says, Sarah. What do you think about this idea? And she presented The Rose and what she was going to do, uh, for The Rose and for herself and for women. She was all about women. She supported her friends in every arena. And of course I said, well, yes, this, this is fabulous. And that gave us the opportunity to know about The Rose. Which every woman needs to know about The Rose.
Dorothy: Oh, thank you. We believe that.
Sarah: Oh, absolutely. Uh, that’s just very, very powerful and we can get into that and why. But Kathy, getting back to Kathy Edwards, she had a strong passion for The Rose. And of course for women and health. [00:10:00] She was about trying to stay healthy and diligent in her health.
Dorothy: Right.
Sarah: And especially I noticed with her employees.
Dorothy: Yes.
Sarah: She.
Dorothy: Now let’s talk about what she created. West Park.
Sarah: West West Park Communications. Which was her mother’s.
Dorothy: Ah, that’s right.
Sarah: So her mother, Edna started West Park Communications 57 years ago. And I just had a conversation with her, which was wonderful. Back then you had to have your husband sign, you know, to get a business and she, her sister, I believe, are the ones that started it. And then Kathy, of course took it over once Edna was wanting to retire and slow down a little bit. And Kathy, of course took it to that next level. It’s still in existence today. And is doing quite well.
Dorothy: And we’ve been clients forever.
Sarah: [00:11:00] For, for many years.
Dorothy: And I remember when Kathy approached me, it, you know, there’s this unique aspect of Kathy. She never uh, was aggressive. It, she was always very, uh, you know, very forceful in her own way, but quiet and, and she just said, you know, Dorothy, I hear you talking about the calls you’re getting and how you can’t get to ’em and people hanging up. She said, you know, we could help you with that and Oh my gosh. Opened my eyes to that kind of service. We had never had anything like that. It made such a difference.
Sarah: Kathy was always intentional. She had a purpose and her purpose was always positive. In helping others.
Dorothy: So for our listeners, what Kathy did that year was she actually covered the cost of being the presenting sponsor.
Sarah: Yes. She did.
Dorothy: It, was it five or 10,000?
Sarah: It [00:12:00] was 10,000.
Dorothy: 10,000, right. And The Rose did not have $10,000. And I was thinking, and when she approached us with it, I said, well, Kathy, that’s very generous of you, but oh my gosh, I, I don’t, I don’t even know how.
Sarah: Yeah.
Dorothy: All this works. Well, she just opened that door, smoothed the path she did, and brought us right in and, and we had to pretend.
Sarah: Yes.
Dorothy: Because she wouldn’t let anyone know.
Sarah: Oh, no. Oh, no.
Dorothy: Uh, that she was actually the money behind it all.
Sarah: Right.
Dorothy: And that introduced us to a whole different league of women.
Sarah: It did.
Dorothy: For, for one thing, they were all working women.
Sarah: Yes.
Dorothy: So they understood the need to stay healthy.
Sarah: Absolutely.
Dorothy: And when they understood about how every insured woman who comes to The Rose is helping us take care of it, uninsured, we, we just started having women been driving business cus uh, [00:13:00] patients all over the place, you know?
Sarah: That’s wonderful.
Dorothy: They would make a day out of it and then go have fun.
Sarah: Oh yeah.
Dorothy: Afterwards. Yeah.
Sarah: I can remember it. It was a place to be and the place to go. And you feel good about being there because you’re doing something for yourself and your body and, uh, information’s power. And so you have to stay on top of the information given you, and that’s going to the rows for, for one example. And to give women that opportunity of all levels is beyond wonderful.
Dorothy: Oh, thank you.
Sarah: Absolutely.
Dorothy: You know, we, we feel like it’s a great model that works.
Sarah: It does work.
Dorothy: And one of the things we have seen is so many of what we call sponsored women who are uninsured that we take through our program and, and do all of their workups and even diagnose, so many of them have gone on to become very successful at the time that we were needed, was just a bad time in their life. It, it, [00:14:00] You know, they, and they were always so grateful. And always so ready to help another woman. And I, I think that is the, difference maybe in women driving business. ’cause they truly wanna help each other.
Sarah: I, I strongly believe that, and that was the vision that, that I had. And of course with Jeannie Bollinger’s help And uh, that the chamber, the Houston West Chamber of Commerce, it really did open up that opportunity. You know, and a lot of people, I just want to add to this, as far as the, the cancer word. You know. People think it’s a hard time to go through, but it’s actually a blessing.
Dorothy: Mm.
Sarah: I see it as a blessing because this way you can share your journey. You can inform women or anybody, you know, men can get, obviously breast cancer as well, the opportunities that are out there and [00:15:00] having the screenings early. Of course we all know is key is catching this thing early.
Dorothy: Right.
Sarah: So the opportunity and the blessing is you have that with The Rose, number one and number two, it opens up experiences with people that are afraid. You don’t need to be afraid, you just need to react.
Dorothy: Oh, that good advice.
Sarah: Information allows you to react. What to do next.
Dorothy: Right.
Sarah: And of course, early detection and your hands. Your hands are the first thing that you need to use for early detection.
Dorothy: They’re free.
Sarah: Of course, mammograms.
Dorothy: Yes.
Sarah: You go from there and, and so, you know, I’d like for people to redirect their thought process when it comes to the word cancer. Really.
Dorothy: And you know, with breast cancer, it is one of those that you can find [00:16:00] early. So many cancers you cannot. And, and that’s why it just seems odd we wouldn’t take advantage of that, you know, modality that that you have a way of finding it.
Sarah: Well, well, some people just don’t have the information.
Dorothy: Being part of, or the ability and, and that’s what exactly our insured women groups, like women driving business help us to absolutely reach out to those who financially couldn’t do this, though.
Sarah: That’s right. Yeah, that’s right.
Dorothy: Because it’s important to us and to a lot of other people. Kathy was diagnosed with a very different kind of cancer.
Sarah: She was, she, she was, um, you know, we were all upset, obviously, and shocked about, about the whole thing, but you know, Kathy was as if you knew Kathy. She was a strong, strong woman and her strength came with her silence about it.
She really didn’t express worry. Or [00:17:00] fear, uh, she is a get it done type of woman. And she went of course to, to the doctor ’cause she was having some issues in her stomach and, and, um, spent a long time trying to diagnose this thing. And, and she, she, um, you know, was in a lot of pain, but smiled all the time and she needed to get into MD Anderson, and I asked her, I had a conversation with her and I said, Kathy, you are a type of person that takes your business to the next level. Why don’t you take yourself to the next level? Here we have this diagnosis. Let’s go to the top and let’s get one of the best in that arena [00:18:00] to help you.
And she just looked at me as you know, she does, and she’s evaluating the conversation and, uh, she says, I can’t get in there. And I, she said, it’d be months. She could, but it’d be months to get in there. And I said, let me make a phone call. And she said. Okay. Well, through women driving business was my contact that knew Kathy.
They didn’t know each other, but she had heard of Kathy and I asked for a favor. She’s with MD Anderson. I said, can you make a phone, phone call on Kathy’s behalf? She said, absolutely, I’ll do it now. And I connected her and her husband, Ted. Together and they had a conversation. She already had a medical record number, but that was about, that was about it. If, if my, um, memory is correct and they had a conversation, she was [00:19:00] at MD Anderson the next day.
Dorothy: Wow.
Sarah: And it’s because of connecting with women, in this case, women driving business. And who’s in the room. ’cause you never know who’s in the room that you can go to, even if it’s a year or two or three later, you have that contact. You connected with that person. MD Anderson of course, is a big name, so you remember who that is? And got a write in.
Dorothy: I think that is an amazing story on so many different levels. That primarily because it just reinforces we need that network.
Sarah: We do.
Dorothy: And, and it’s, it’s not for anything as dramatic as that. Even. It’s, we need support, we need other people and, and we have become so isolated. We in general that it’s kind of scary. Think, think about how. What a different outcome.
Sarah: Well, absolutely. And what, what I find [00:20:00] is strong women and men too. Don’t like to ask for help. Oh, that’s true as much because they can figure it out. They’re not gonna, you know. They’re gonna navigate through this thing. They know what to do as they have in their business, and that’s why they’re successful. But that doesn’t mean that they don’t need other people and other women in, in their lives. And, and Kathy realized that. She knew she had to think about it.
But she knew that, you know, she needed some, uh, some help in that arena. And so that’s what’s what’s very nice. And, you know, I just wanna say this about women and women driving business. Again, at any level, if you have no insurance, if you have insurance, if you’re on the top of the world, it’s still, you’re still the same woman.
You’re still the same person. Don’t be afraid to ask. In any arena, whether it’s cancer or building your business, [00:21:00] uh, how, how do you get to that next level? You have a conversation and you get experiences through others that have been through it.
Dorothy: I love that. How do you get to the next level?
Sarah: And you, you hang around women that have made to that next level. And don’t be afraid to ask.
Dorothy: So many good points. ’cause we are, I don’t know if we’re afraid to ask. I think we’re too…
Sarah: Prideful. I don’t know. I don’t know. The hardheaded hardhead Well, yeah, there’s that, there’s, it’s always hardhead.
Dorothy: It’s like you said, we’ve done all this and gosh, to have to ask for help.
Sarah: Yeah. And you, you have something in your arena that you’re uncomfortable with. That happens.
Dorothy: It does. We, we can’t know it all.
Sarah: We can’t. No. We just can’t.
Dorothy: And we, uh, it’s been over a year now, but Kathy, this was a battle that she wasn’t gonna [00:22:00] win.
Sarah: She wasn’t gonna win. They said it was treatable. There’s three things that I find since I carry a cancer gene, I know a lot more than maybe most, but there’s three things that I’ve been told. It’s treatable, it’s curable or it’s terminal. And so what that means is. If it’s treatable, you’re going to have this cancer that is not gonna go away, and they’re gonna treat it until your body just can’t take the drugs anymore or until it goes into remission, but then it will come back. Um, it’s curable. They can cut it out and it’s gone. And they monitor you. They make sure that, you know, it’s nowhere else in your body because cancer, you know, is a [00:23:00] hidden little.
Dorothy: It’s in every single person.
Sarah: It’s in every single person. I can tell you so much that I’ve learned about that. Uh, and then of course, terminal is when it’s gone too long and, you know, get, be prepared.
Dorothy: So when you talk about, you know a lot about cancer. You’re in a clinical trial.
Sarah: I am, I am. I am.
Dorothy: Why? What convinced you to do that?
Sarah: Well, I, um, had colon cancer when I was 46 years old. Actually, let me, let me retract that. I had pre-cancerous polyps when I was 46 year years old and decided that I would do genetic testing, which if you have the ability. That is a great thing to do. And I carry a, a gene called Lynch syndrome. And Lynch syndrome is mainly your colon, uh, [00:24:00] your stomach, uterine. I mean, it can just go all over the place. And so at 46 after I had that precancerous, uh, diagnosis, I started learning more about what I need to do to help stay healthy and I ate what I thought was right and took vitamins and all these different things and, and you know, stress is a big factor in cancer. Well, at 56 years old, 10 years later, I had colon cancer. Little bitty stage one colon cancer. They found it because of screening. And, um, they cut it out. I wanna say they threw it in the garbage, but they didn’t, they took it to pathology and, and, and found that there was no more cancer.
And, and so that was good and continued [00:25:00] on getting monitored. And then at 66, 10 years later. I had precancerous polyp again. And so what was interesting to me, because I’m thinking I’m doing everything I’m supposed to do. Um, my doctor, one of ’em, I have several said, well, what did you do different? I said, well, I was under a lot of stress. She goes, bingo.
Dorothy: Wow.
Sarah: And I thought, okay, so stress causes inflammation.
Dorothy: Oh yeah.
Sarah: Yeah. Food. She told me this particular doctor has several, but this particular doctor said 70% of the people that go to MD Anderson don’t need to be there. It’s because of their dietary habits. It’s in our food and of course environment there’s, you know, but it’s mainly the food, processed foods, you know.
So [00:26:00] my advice is to uh, stay away from processed foods. As much as you can. Uh, and then what happens is, is with Lynch syndrome and other cancers, it, your body doesn’t recognize to attack it and kill it. ’cause our bodies are designed to heal itself. So it’s a glitch. I believe in the system.
And so Dr. Lynch himself was telling me about this vaccine. Study that was gonna be developed. He was very excited about it. He said this was five, six, maybe six years ago. And that he was so excited about this, um, new opportunity for, for people to, um, to consider. It was still in the works. And so I said, well, that’s good.
And then of course, I forgot about it. And this, this past, uh, October, they approached me about [00:27:00] this vaccine study. And I went, oh no. Yeah. And I said, let me pray on it and I’ll call you back. And then I remembered what Dr. Lynch said. So I called him back and I said, I’ll do it. And so what they’re developing, and they’ve had great success in this particular vaccine with colon cancer, and I’ll talk about the breast cancer vaccine too, but I, they are having great success with it, and there’s different hospitals all over the world into this study, and they have, um, I wanna say it was 38, maybe 35 people that they were searching for to be in this vaccine study. I was number three at MD Anderson, and at the time, 25 of us were doing it.
And she said there is great results and they should release some very, very, very important information this summer [00:28:00] that I’m excited, excited about. I’m not saying it’s gonna eradicate it, but it’s certainly gonna at tame it and, uh, that’s why I wanted to do it as far as what, what can I do as a person. Maybe I’m the answer, maybe I’m not. I don’t know. But you don’t know unless you try. Right? Uh, the vaccines were, well, I’ve had 12 so far.
Dorothy: Good.
Sarah: It’s 12 different vaccines. Four at a time for three months in a row, and then I get a break and they monitor me. Yeah. They took tissue from my stomach and everything and now they’re gonna take more tissue in a year. It’s a two year study. And. So, um, I’m real excited about it. And then they’re coming up with a triple negative breast cancer vaccine. It’s getting pretty close as well. I don’t know the, the timeframe on that. Uh, also.
Dorothy: Which that is the toughest [00:29:00] one we have.
Sarah: That’s, that’s a tough one. Cuz it’s non-hormone driven and then of course vaccine for regular breast cancer. I don’t know where they are in that study now, but. You know, melanoma’s another one that they’re working on that, that I know of. Um.
Dorothy: But that is the importance of clinical trials.
Sarah: It’s very, very important.
Dorothy: We, you know, you can do anything in the lab.
Sarah: Yeah.
Dorothy: But once you get to the human body that is so complex and has truly a mind of its own, and the only way we’re gonna know is with brave people who stepped forward and said, okay, let’s try it.
Sarah: Let’s try it.
Dorothy: Yeah.
Sarah: After the first round of vaccines, I’m like, Ooh, I don’t know, but, but I feel great. I actually feel better than I have in a long time, and I don’t know if it’s psychological, I don’t know. But all’s I know there is hope.
There is. I believe [00:30:00] there’s hope. And I can tell you this. All of the doctors at MD Anderson that I’ve come in contact with wants to find a cure. You know, there’s talk out there, they don’t wanna find a cure, a big pharma and all this kind of thing, and I don’t know what level that goes, but I do know that if you’ve had cancer or you’re on a vaccine, you’re still gonna have to go and get monitored and checked, just like The Rose.
Dorothy: Right.
Sarah: You never, it’s it’s never gonna be a, a stop. Oh, I’m, well I’m never gonna have this again. So, um, I just, I just hope one day, ’cause I’ve known so many people that have had it, uh, Kathy being, being one, you know, you’d think. Somebody, you know so dearly, this can’t be possible.
Dorothy: Rest of her life ahead of her.
Sarah: Rest of her life. She was only 62. And she fought it. And the timing was perfect, you know, for her. [00:31:00] And, and everybody learns from these experiences. You know, so I just hate it that that happened. But at the same time, what did she, what did she leave us with?
Dorothy: Oh, yes. You don’t wanna, you never want to disappoint Kathy.
Sarah: Oh no.
Dorothy: That, that, I mean that for me.
Sarah: Yeah.
Dorothy: Every now and then when I think about her, I go, well, how would she be thinking about what we’re doing now?
Sarah: Exactly. Yeah. And it’s because of her, you and I are together.
Dorothy: That’s right. That’s right. And so many others that she introduced us to.
Sarah: Oh, absolutely.
Dorothy: What a joy to have known her.
Sarah: Yes.
Dorothy: Well, Sarah, what a. You’ve given us so many gems here from a business woman’s aspect to the health aspect. What other thing would you say to women to keep us, I don’t wanna use the word on the right track, but just to help us stay whole? It’s not a [00:32:00] time, it’s not an easy time to feel whole right now.
Sarah: Well, it’s, it’s an inside job. You have to be okay with yourself inside. And women have a tendency to feel, not all women, but I think all women do. They feel inadequate. They don’t know what direction to go. They don’t know what rail to stay on or what lane to stay on. And alls I can say is you are the pilot of your life.
Life is short. But you’re the pilot. So you can direct yourself in any, any direction and you, you can’t, and I just, I don’t know if I want to use this word. You can’t fail. Nobody can fail. You can make a mistake and you can correct it and you can find a different path. [00:33:00] But failure. You know, people always say, well, failure’s not an option.
Well, it, it is an option if you choose to, you know, fail yourself, but you’re a better vehicle in life. You’re a better person in life. You know, what can you give to someone else?
Dorothy: Right. You know, that service aspect.
Sarah: That and, and the service aspect.
Dorothy: Yes.
Sarah: And surround yourself by successful, like I said, women and men, and don’t be afraid to ask. I.
Dorothy: That’s the best advice out all.
Sarah: Don’t be afraid to ask. Don’t feel intimidated. A lot of people sometimes feel intimidated. Well, I, I never was one of those people because I knew that every woman likes to ask or, or give advice.
Dorothy: Yes.
Sarah: Help is around the corner.
Dorothy: Help.
Sarah: Help is around the corner.
Dorothy: Help is coming in. Right.
Sarah: And, and stay diligent with your mammograms and your, you know, if you’re able to, [00:34:00] to do genetic testing, do that. ’cause I also carry the breast cancer gene as well.
Dorothy: And you know, that is something, I’m just gonna add it here, that we just started doing.
Sarah: Oh good.
Dorothy: And for our uninsured women. Think about the life changing impact, just being able to have that information.
Sarah: Yes.
Dorothy: That I’m so happy. And of course we had to have help.
Sarah: Oh yeah.
Dorothy: We had to have Nater come in and say, we’ll help you with your uninsured. Everybody wanted to do genetic testing here. Right. But no one wanted to help us make sure that the uninsured had that that option too. So that’s great. People care.
Sarah: That’s so great.
Dorothy: And, and we can’t let, like you said, big business or any of that. Malarkey get in the way of what we need to do.
Sarah: Absolutely not. Yeah, absolutely not. Information’s power and you can react on, On that information. And don’t be scared. That’s another thing. Don’t be scared.
Dorothy: Right.
Sarah: But it’s anything you do in, in life, of course be smart.[00:35:00]
Dorothy: Right.
Sarah: But, but, um, you know, just know that you can do it and keep your eye on the ball.
Dorothy: Yeah. And if you fall down,
Sarah: then just get up.
Dorothy: Get up. It’s part of learning. Dust yourself off. Someone I heard recently said, you know, we, we did, we are so hard on ourselves. If, if you were a little child learning to walk and, and you fall down, well your mama or whoever’s around Indian come and say, look, dummy. You know, they would just lift you up and say, all right, let’s try it again. Uh, that’s brilliant. You know, and so when I find myself, you know, thinking, oh gosh, how could I have done that? I just picked myself up.
Sarah: Right.
Dorothy: And say, let’s try again.
Sarah: Right. Falling down is not failure. It’s a part of learning. Part of learning.
Dorothy: Yes. Well, Sarah, you brought us so much today. We didn’t even get to half of my topics, but we’re gonna have to have you back.
Sarah: I’d love to.
Dorothy: I know there are so many things that.
Sarah: Thank you.
Dorothy: You’ve learned and you’ve experienced, and it would be so wonderful for our, our [00:36:00] listeners to hear it.
Sarah: Well, I appreciate the opportunity to be here with you. It’s good seeing you.
Dorothy: It’s great seeing you.
Sarah: Thank you so much.
Dorothy: Oh, thank you.
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