Dorothy: [00:00:00] Your wife has just been diagnosed with breast cancer. You are a hospital administrator. You know firsthand what she’s up against. You also know that she’s way too young to have this disease. And you worry about your three young children. So how does one cope? Justin Kendrick shares his personal experience as a caregiver and his family’s heart wrenching experience.
He’s not afraid to show his emotions and several times I thought we would have to stop and regroup. But what I admire about this man the most is he was not afraid to ask for help. He talks about learning to rely on his community and shares the incredible impact of spontaneous acts of kindness. We also talked about the invaluable support from Memorial Hermann’s Canopy Cancer Survivor Center and how they help families through tough times.
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Justin, thank you so much for coming out. And I know you had a track to get here.
Justin: It’s okay. Yeah.
Dorothy: But we so appreciate you coming to join us. You were just telling us something about Canopy. So tell me what, what that is, what it’s about and your involvement with it.
Justin: Yeah, so I’ve been involved with Canopy for quite some time. Canopy is a cancer survivorship center. Its mission is to elevate life above cancer. I’ve been at the Woodlands campus since 2014, uh, serving my current role for the past four and a [00:02:00] half years.
Dorothy: Which is?
Justin: I’m the CEO for Memorial Hermann, the Woodlands Medical Center and Memorial Hermann Northeast Hospital. So cover two campuses. Uh, so yeah, I’ve been a part of Canopy since its inception, since it was being built, and now, you know, going nine, ten years strong into it, uh, it’s amazing to see the impact that it is having on people, um, not only just folks going through cancer, but also caregivers and family members and, you know.
So I’ve always said, just as I said now here, if you know somebody with cancer and you know about Canopy and don’t share Canopy with them, you’re doing them a disservice. It’s, everything’s free. Everything from shaving, parties, if you want to call them that, to wig fittings, to therapy sessions, to tai chi, to yoga, to uh, exhibition cookings.
We’ll bring in kids that are 10 years old and teach them how to cook, you know, dinner for mom and dad who are going through cancer treatments and can’t make it. Anything and everything, 80 to 100 programs [00:03:00] a month, about a thousand people walk through the doors, uh, each, each and every month. And it’s just an awesome, awesome, awesome situation.
And yeah, back to like what we were just talking about before also in this. You know, second annual, uh, we call the IE Smart Systems Invitational, uh, where an individual by the name of Nick Colvin and James Selmser, um, their lives, their personal lives have been impacted by Canopy and, and, uh, cancer and they wanted to raise incremental awareness for, uh, Canopy.
And so they’ve utilized their contacts and ties in the construction industry and, you know, we just wrapped up last night the second annual i. e. Smart Systems Invitational where they’ve been able to raise 50,000 each year directly to Canopy. And that incremental awareness is bringing folks together mostly from the construction industry and and, uh, Putting them in a setting where they’re [00:04:00] learning about Canopy and they’re learning about the resources available and so, you know, should they ever find themselves in that situation of having a loved one or themselves or somebody that they know, uh, who, you know, goes through a cancer journey that they know that there’s a resource there for them.
Dorothy: So you’ve been a caregiver yourself. Tell us a little bit about your experience.
Justin: Yeah, so I guess, um, you know, my journey in that space actually started out at the first annual IE Smart Systems Invitational last year, November 14th. So I, uh.
Dorothy: It’s okay. There are some tissues right there.
Justin: Thanks.
Dorothy: Again, we know it’s tough to be a caregiver and it’s, you’re not the one going through it. But you are, in your own way.
Justin: So [00:05:00] we, uh, we got word, uh, we got word last year that a good friend of my wife’s that she had grown up with down the street. Uh, well, it was diagnosed with cancer, with breast cancer. And, um, so it was a terminal diagnosis, uh, at that she shared with her at that time. And that was when my wife scheduled her first mammogram.
So my wife was, uh, 41, so hadn’t put it off too long, right? Not 45 or 50 or hadn’t put it off too long. Um, but finally, you know, despite all of the in the pinks that she’s been involved with and things, um, that call from her friend, uh, made her go get her first mammogram. And so the week, uh, that she was getting all of her mammograms going from, you know, the screenings to the diagnostics, to the biopsies. Uh, so her friend passed away and this was someone who lived, you know, four doors down from her, was in our wedding and you know, all of those, um, very close, uh, those moments in [00:06:00] life, you know, they had experience together. And so, um, it turned out to be that, um, that she had the exact same type of cancer as this childhood friend.
Uh, and so we got off, you know, pretty quickly. Um, when, I guess that was the last week of January, first week of February is when her diagnosis occurred and it was, okay, well, we caught it early. So that’s, that’s the great thing, you know, and how do we, um, how do we go about treating her as quickly as possible?
So her journey went from, uh, chemo, uh, hit her with the red devil right out of the gates and then went to surgery and then about, I guess about six or seven weeks ago now, we learned that, uh, it hadn’t spread. So that was the great news, right?
Dorothy: That is great news, yes.
Justin: So she’s finishing up, uh, her, uh, radiation. What we hope is the grand finale, I think today is, um, maybe 8 of 18? [00:07:00] 7 or 8 of 18? So we’re, we’re close to, to the end there. And. Yeah, so that’s been, um, the journey of, of what her cancer journey has looked like here this year. And, uh, we always laugh also, we just started a home renovation project. We had torn down walls and, uh, the week before she got her diagnosis, but I will say that it was, you know, one of the greatest gifts we could have is, um, her parents, uh, live right down the road from us.
And so the family was living with, um, her parents, my family, we have a 12, 10 and eight year old. Uh, so they were, we were all living together with her, uh, her parents as we were dealing with the home renovation and the cancer diagnosis and all of this kind of stuff and just figuring out what next steps were. Um, but that’s, uh, yeah, so that’s been her journey and that’s where we all started off at.
Dorothy: My goodness, this, this event is very, uh, it just marks a place in time that you’ll [00:08:00] never forget for sure.
Justin: Yeah, absolutely. And then a lot of the, a lot of the, uh, typical. Questions of, okay, well, you know, how to best support her, what do we need to do? Um, you know, thankfully being in the medical industry, you know, I had a high degree of confidence as to who we need to put her in the right hands, uh, of and in order to, uh, treat her. appropriately and as, and as aggressively as possible. And, and I think that gives us a lot of peace of mind, um, knowing that she’s got the best clinicians, uh, working with her. And then, and then it’s everything else. Then it’s when you start telling friends, teachers, kids, children.
Dorothy: When did you tell your children?
Justin: Probably not as early as we should have. It was, I think we, um, she was getting ready to, start chemo and again, we were kind of living with her her parents and [00:09:00] having all sorts of I would say secretive conversations amongst ourselves on our phones and of course everything that we’re you know all of our downtime we’re researching everything and everything from what somebody experiences with this chemo cocktail and, and cold capping and I mean, all sorts of different things. Um, but doing it within a compressed living space. Uh, so I’m sure that our kids picked up, uh, on it a little bit. We thought, but, um, uh, but yeah, so we backed into it and, uh, probably didn’t do the best of jobs, uh, with it, but I don’t know if anybody can truly be prepared, um, to have that conversation. And so, yeah, it was pretty much the night before or maybe a couple of days before, um, she started chemo and, you know, we pull the kids in and, uh, and, and I just think that really made it real for Chelsea was telling our, our kids.[00:10:00]
So, probably lesson learned is, don’t start off that conversation with your kids by asking them what’s the first thing that they think of when they hear the word cancer. Cause it, it, it went really off, uh, from that point. And, uh, our girls were very emotional, um, and our
Dorothy: They knew about the friend also.
Justin: Uh, I don’t, I don’t know that they did. I don’t know. Yeah. I don’t know that we, I can’t recall if they did. I, I, I don’t think that they did. She lived in Dallas. Um, so it wasn’t an immediate, uh, member of our, you know, social, social group on a day in, day out basis. Um, but no, our, our girls became, uh, very emotional. Our son who’s eight years old was very matter of fact, and he just kept saying, um, there’s a chance you could die. There’s a chance you could die. You know, he, he kept… uh, but, but they.
Dorothy: What did you [00:11:00] say to that? How did you have that?
Justin: Well, we had just gone through a health scare situation with our 10 year old girl. And she had had a, um, an aneurysm in her hip. And so, uh, we were able to say, Hey, the doctor saved Ellie. The doctors are going to save mom and we’re going to be okay.
We just don’t know. We just, we just don’t know what the next, you know, six, eight, nine months are going to look like. And, uh, we’ll figure it all out together and, and we’ll go from there. So we took him out of school the next day. And so Chelsea was just able to spend time with them and they were able to.
Dorothy: Oh, that was wise.
Justin: Just go shopping and do that kind of stuff.
Dorothy: That was very wise.
Justin: Um, so, then it was telling the social settings and, you know, our, our close friends and, um, things like that. Because, you know, you have to, you don’t know what the kids are going to say to their friends. And, and really, you know, it [00:12:00] was, we amongst our tight knit social group just hadn’t had anybody go through cancer.
Dorothy: Oh, and she’s so young.
Justin: Yeah, what, whatsoever. And so we knew that, you know, the, um, the questions could come up from, you know, other, you know, kids of our friends and they, we live in a very, I would say, um, somewhat of a utopia type of a situation where kids just bounce back and forth between multiple different homes and it’s wonderful.
Yeah, it’s really, it’s really awesome. Um, so again, just those types tho those, uh, steps in the process that we, nobody really prepares you for and you just have to start figuring it out. And again, thankfully, um, Marcela Herrera, you know, our Canopy, um, manager and, uh, Linda Nelson were, you know, so great.
And just making sure that we had any resource, you know, that we, um, that we needed. Um. So [00:13:00] yeah, then it became, okay, I need to just figure out the scheduling and figure out how to, you know, support her however we can. Do we need to make adjustments, um, you know, for her chemo sessions and how she’s going to be feeling after the, you know, the chemo sessions.
And, um, so there were just a lot of, uh, things up in the air from a life standpoint, but, um, it certainly brings, uh, a lot of things into perspective also. And, um, things that mattered, you know, maybe beforehand didn’t really matter as much. And let’s just figure this out as a family and, and go through it. And so that’s really what we set out to do.
Dorothy: So you went with her on some of her chemo, uh, treatments. What did, what happens during that time? I mean, you’re a caregiver. How do you, how, how do you watch all that or?
Justin: I kept, I mean, I kind of approached it from a standpoint of, I just kind of have to be there. I don’t know what to say a lot of times. And, you know, my wife will make some other jokes about those other big [00:14:00] moments of life of, you know, of births of children. And I probably haven’t known what to say in those situations either, but just being there I think is, is the biggest thing. And that’s what I tried to do as, as much as we could possibly do.
And, and so whether or not it was, um, you know, hair falling out or, uh, the, you know, the chemo sessions and then just how do you move forward? I mean, really it’s just sitting there. It’s, you know, she would have plenty of friends that would, um, she has a wonderful, wonderful support system, awesome support system.
Um, and many of them would offer to come to chemo with her. Um, but when you go into a room full of 40 chairs and you see the full gamut of people that are more end of life to very beginning, you know, early stages of life, um, that are going through the same thing and going through different treatment protocols.
Um, It’s, um, at first it’s, uh, [00:15:00] very, um, overwhelming emotionally, I would say. And then as we progressed, uh, she had 18 chemo treatments. Over about, uh, I guess it was a five or six month period of time, it becomes somewhat of a community of support, a network, um, people that are usually going through chemo treatments at the same time.
You get to know each other in different ways and, um, so that’s really, you know, what I tried to do was just try to be there and, and free up, you know, anything, um, off of her plate that we could free up, um. And so a lot of times it was just being there.
Dorothy: Do you ever feel like, or ever experience any kind of anger because you couldn’t fix it?
Justin: Um, no, I don’t think I ever had that type of emotion. Um, it was, and maybe, you know, working in the medical industry, it was, um, [00:16:00] um, you, you know that it, I mean, cancer doesn’t discriminate. Um, it impacts so many different types of people. Um, even that first chemo session that we, um, that she had, uh, within that room, I had two employees that were sitting in chairs across from us that they didn’t know, I mean, they didn’t know that Chelsea had started this journey.
I didn’t necessarily know that they were started, that they were in a journey themselves. And, um, but you know, from an anger standpoint, it, it, um, it, that never came over me. It was more so, okay, these are, this is the situation. Let’s be grateful that we caught it in time. And now let’s just support her and support the family and everybody, um, you know, else involved and, and again, get Chelsea through this and, um, do it the best way that we can.
And she was bound to determine not to allow life to slow down and, [00:17:00] um, for everybody, for the kids. So we started the year off thinking, yeah, we’re not going to do much traveling this year, but we ended up figuring out ways to do it. It’s like her last, uh, her last chemo treatment. We, We went to Austin, um, with three other families and, and, uh, then we went to Hawaii to celebrate.
Dorothy: Because you’re in the healthcare field, you had confidence. And, and sometimes in, you know, in the 38 years I’ve been in the healthcare field, sometimes, you know too much. That you’ve, you had the opposite feeling through that time.
Justin: Yeah, I did. I mean, I knew that, um, like her cancer was the most aggressive cancer you could have. And we already knew what it had done to her friend. And, um, and, but we caught it in time. And so, no, I was coming from a perspective of, okay, like she’s got the best people looking out for her. And now it’s going to be [00:18:00] an interesting year and we’re going to, we’re going to get control of this. And then again, it felt more, um, talking about it and talking about her story and really through, you know, the end, the pink of health, um, luncheons in October when we got the news that it hadn’t spread throughout the rest of her body and that was out. And we hopefully get this grand finale and be done with things from the radiation. We thought, okay, well, we need to start telling the story about, you know, going in, you know, making sure you get your screenings and I look at it from the standpoint of, it’s not just mammograms, it’s colonoscopies and it’s, it’s just taking care of our own health. Yeah.
Dorothy: Right. Right. And you know, The Rose has been a, uh, we benefited from the Pink of Health.
Justin: Wonderful partnership. Yeah.
Dorothy: It is truly a wonderful, and we appreciate it so very much.
Justin: Wonderful partnership.
Dorothy: It has been such a good way for us to serve. Those that, that really don’t have the health insurance or the access. But we can’t do it without Partnerships, without support. So we thank you so [00:19:00] much for that.
Justin: Yeah, absolutely.
Dorothy: I’m, I’m curious about how when you say that’s such a great way of looking at this from a caregiver’s point of view, they’re in the best hands they can be.
Justin: Mm hmm.
Dorothy: You know that, I I think you’re the first caregiver I’ve heard say that.
Justin: Okay.
Dorothy: I’ve heard one other time someone said, well, You know, we knew we were going to the right place. So I never worried about her dying or I never worried about that part. And I think that’s just a real comforting thing.
Justin: Yeah. Yes. Had all the confidence in the world. It was also, it’s also just trying not to, um, overstep boundaries and, um, and kind of respect her process of going through this, uh, also, um, you know, it was probably a couple of times that, um, we’ve had conversations where I may be asking some questions or whatever, and [00:20:00] she’s just, she just doesn’t want to talk about it and that’s okay too.
Um, and you know, knowing, um, like with Canopy, I mean, we’ve been very involved with Canopy over the years. Um, but it became a situation, uh, that I couldn’t just force her to go to Canopy, like I, right. I mean that I can’t just, I mean, even though I knew it’s some point in time, I figured that it would come into play.
I couldn’t force her to go because she has to process everything on her own. And so, That was, I think, a delicate balance of you want to provide everything that you can possibly provide to your loved one going through this, but it’s got to be on their own time. And so, as I, you know, was talking last night, um, uh, at, uh, at this golf tournament benefiting Canopy, you know, there’s, there’s an element like Canopy [00:21:00] is there when, um, for an individual when they don’t know where else to turn.
And that’s where I think of, um, you know, me being a caregiver and trying to, um, uh, provide and protect and, and, uh, assist wherever I possibly can. It’s just looking for those signs and clues of, and making some suggestive comments or just, uh, but it always having to be on their own time. So for Chelsea, like her utilization of Canopy came, uh, when she just couldn’t, uh, have her head shaved within the public setting of, uh, of her normal hairstylist.
And so that’s when she said, okay, now I know how, you know, how and where and why I need Canopy. And, and, uh, let’s just go call and make an appointment and go do it, go do that. But it’s never been, it’s, I’ve been trying to just [00:22:00] take things off, you know, take things out of the way so that she could concentrate on, on taking care of herself and minimizing as many stressors as possible.
Dorothy: That’s a great story. I mean, it’s I’ve known about Canopy for a long time, but did not realize how important something like that could be.
Justin: Yeah, and um, and again, just sharing, you know, in the same, in the setting that we shared last night. You know, as Chelsea went in, we did it on a Friday afternoon and, um, that’s probably been the most difficult part of this whole journey for her.
It’s just the, the, you know, personal appearance change with the hair and things, but, um, you know, when the individual who’s, uh, who’s taking care of you and, and getting ready to cut off all your hair and do a wig fitting. Um, Suzanne, uh, had lost her hair seven times since the year 2014. See, she has since [00:23:00] passed, but when you are sitting in a chair and someone tells you who’s about to cut your hair for the first time that they’ve lost their hair seven times, uh, it puts things into perspective a little bit also.
And, and again, just the, the sharing of, of stories from this amazing community. It’s, um, it’s an incredible people, incredible strength and, um, incredible perspective. So, yeah, that helps out. It certainly helps out the situation.
Dorothy: Oh, yeah. So besides Canopy, what was the, um, most important thing anyone ever did for you during this time? Um, most thoughtful.
Justin: That’s where I think it’s, it’s difficult.
I was just, uh, [00:24:00] talking with a, a friend, a surgeon here this morning and, um, we’ve learned through this process that, uh, I would say I’m a, I’m a spiritual person, I’m probably not very religious. Um, but there have been, uh, moments through the past year where you might get five text messages all within a 30 minute period of time, or an hour from very random, you know, sources and, or phone calls or, or whatever. Um, just reaching out. Don’t know why, you know, things like that. Maybe they know, maybe they don’t. We’ve kind of kept it, um, more quiet until, uh, the past, until the past month in the, in the pink luncheons. Um, but. I’ve always said, you know, those are the types of, um, situations where there’s probably some higher power that’s, [00:25:00] that’s putting people on other people’s minds.
And, um, and he, and those are sometimes the most impactful or like right when you need them, you know, not when you’re expecting them or, or, uh, getting together. And so through this journey, I’ve, um, I’ve taken the approach to say, if somebody comes to mind, just shoot him a text because you don’t know what they could be going through.
And, um, uh, but it’s something that we have felt, you know, through this journey, um, that again, in the conversation with this person, I had shot him a text, uh, you know, whatever it was a month ago or something. And his family was going through a situation. You know, in another country. And, um, so he and I were just talking about that of, yeah, it’s very interesting timing.
So if somebody comes to mind, just go ahead and send them a text and, and start paying it forward like that. The other things would be, again, spending the last couple days at this golf tournament with friends that have been very [00:26:00] impactful, you know, to me personally throughout this journey and stuff. And have, uh, you know, one friend, uh, who, um, he lives in Mt. Lawn, he came, came up and, uh, you know. During early, early in the process. He asked me to, he just asked me to go to breakfast. I didn’t know exactly what, um, what he wanted to talk about or anything. So we go have breakfast. I cleared my calendar because he asked me just to go out and all he wanted to do was check on me.
Dorothy: Oh, that had to mean a lot.
Justin: So. You know, that’s, I mean, that’s one example with, you know, another, another friend that we were with just, um, those types of things. Had another buddy who just asked him, he’s like, come on over. Let me, well, let’s cook dinner and, and, uh, just do things like that. So, so incredibly grateful for, you know, Chelsea’s support system throughout this, [00:27:00] um, her journey. It’s almost overwhelming. I mean, it’s, it’s, she has such an amazing, uh, support system. Um, and then, you know, these, you know, I think very blessed to have these.
Not just within work, right, because the work team is incredibly supportive and we’re always going to support each other, you know, through, through these journeys. But, um, just very key individuals who, um, you know, you know that they’re there to, if you ever need anything and just pick up the phone and, and it would certainly be reciprocated, but, yeah, so it’s been really fun the last, you know, spending the last two days as we’ve, you know, raising incremental awareness for Canopy and doing it with those, you know, with a couple of those guys and another guy who, uh, we’ve, uh, had some wonderful connections with this past year as well.
Dorothy: I think we forget that guys need that support too.
Justin: Yeah, and that’s why, again, it’s, it’s, um, [00:28:00] as Chelsea and I have talked and, and just trying to think through of, you know, very grateful for um, the platforms that we have in order to tell the story. And, um, and this is, uh, you know, another platform to just go ahead.
And I think I’ve used the words like raw and unstable at times to describe, you know, the, the emotions because, you know, we still are going through this and we still, um, you know, I’m still trying to think about, okay, how do we, you know, how do we make life as, as good for her as possible so that she can continue to focus on herself. Um, uh, but yeah, still going through it, um, but still very, very grateful for the wonderful support system that we’ve got, that we’ve got around.
Dorothy: Mm hmm.
Justin: Mm hmm.
Dorothy: You know, the one thing I’ve learned through all these podcasts is people just need other people.
Justin: Absolutely.
Dorothy: We need each other in ways that you can’t [00:29:00] describe.
Justin: Yeah, and back to like the text messages or like going out to breakfast or something, right? I mean, it’s not anything that’s novel, um, but it oftentimes hits at the right moment. So it doesn’t, I’ve just taken that approach this year and, um, and it’s, fascinating the number of times, you know, the responses are, you know, thanks so much.
Just, you know, yeah, appreciate it needed that this day or whatever. And, um, for various reasons, I mean, this individual’s family’s in a war torn country right now. And, um, they had just been trying to face a decision, um, or they’re facing the decision of trying to figure out how to get them out and things.
And so again, just, if somebody comes to mind, just send them a text and,
Dorothy: That’s the best advice.
Justin: Cancer or non cancer.
Dorothy: That’s the best advice I’ve heard I think to date, seriously.
Justin: Yeah.
Dorothy: Because that has happened to me. And,
Justin: Yeah.
Dorothy: It means so much.
Justin: It means so much, you know, so how do we pay it [00:30:00] forward? And how do we, right, how do we learn from that? So, so yeah. Sorry for being a little, uh, raw and unstable, um, here in this conversation. You, you’re, when I saw some of the potential questions for us to cover today, I thought, okay, we’ll go talk about it and see what happens here. But hey, again, we’re so blessed to have the support system that we’re around and the friends, uh, process.
Dorothy: I tell you what, we’re so blessed that you came and talked today because for hundreds of reasons, but the letting our listeners see that part that we don’t often talk about.
Justin: Mm-hmm .
Dorothy: And the part of us that is, can be very raw, can be very vulnerable.
Justin: Mm-hmm .
Dorothy: That’s being human.
Justin: Yeah. I’ve, I’ve kind of looked at it as maybe it’s a little cathartic also, um, to just say things that, you know, maybe points of gratitude that, uh, haven’t been able to express, uh, necessarily to other folks yet. And again, well, again, [00:31:00] incredibly grateful for all of the resources that are around us and knowing how to access them. Right now we’re working with Wonders and Worries is another wonderful organization that specializes in helping kids going through situations with their parents with cancer.
They are, uh, they do, um, good partner with Canopy and so Canopy reaches out, you know, to them if need be. And so, you know, we’ve got one child that could probably use some assistance that maybe we should have gotten, uh, out in front of this a little bit more. But, um, but again, we can, we can do that now. And I’m so, so grateful for all of the resources and the awareness that we have around us. But as you know, you said it oftentimes boils down to people. And so I can’t imagine, you know, going through this without the right support network and support system and stuff. So as we’ve kind of gone throughout this, it’s been incredibly, um, important, um, for us to be able [00:32:00] to express that gratitude. And that’s oftentimes the most, uh, soliciting the most emotions.
Dorothy: Absolutely. Thank you so much for being with us today. This was really insightful and just appreciate you. I know you do lots of great things in the community and, and we so appreciate Canopy and all the resources, but my goodness.
Justin: Well, we appreciate all that you do and this space and The Rose has been a wonderful organization for many years. And, uh, as we know, the statistics and the ratios and it keeps getting, you know, more and more prevalent. So what you all do, you know, hopefully, you know, addresses things before they get too bad and, and you all can, in your own way, elevate life above cancer with your, you know, with all of your synergistic partnerships and things too.
Dorothy: Thank you so much for being with us.
Justin: Yep. My pleasure.
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