Dorothy: [00:00:00] The stress we carry today often began years ago. Stress management expert Lolita Guarin explains how early life experiences shape our health and how breaking those patterns can change everything. You’ll learn so much about stress management today in this episode, and I hope you’ll share this episode, subscribe and please donate at therose.org.
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Well, thank you so much for being with us today. It’s such a delight to meet you. And it is, um, your subject matter is [00:01:00] very different and very interesting, so I, I’m anxious to to get into our conversation.
Lolita: Thank you so much for inviting me. It’s an honor.
Dorothy: Sure, sure. So how did you become this stress management expert? And that’s, that is truly what you, you are, and you do, right?
Lolita: Yes. And you know, someone says, what does make you an expert? I say, well, I read this as if you do something for 10,000 hours or more. Then you’re an expert. And since I’ve been stressing out for all of my life, as far as I know, that makes me an expert.
Dorothy: You’re right, you’re right. I love that. But you describe stress in a lot of different ways and and I think most of us know we need stress in our life to some extent. But I, I was reading something you said, or listening to one of your podcasts where you said. It’s like a trauma. Stress can be like a trauma. Can you talk about that a little bit?
Lolita: I think stress is anything that is outside of your comfort [00:02:00] zone. Right? You’re like, oh, I need to put the coat on. You know, it’s cold. Oh, I need to take a call. I don’t wanna talk to the person. Oh, it’s stressful. It’s outside of your comfort zone. But in addition to that, I think overall stress is fear. And how is that connected to trauma in our life, um, and childhood trauma and all of this. And, you know, I did a lot of podcasts and a lot of speaking, and the word trauma already is so triggering to a lot of people. So now I’m changing into looking at this as the patterns that you followed, the patterns that you learned, uhhuh and influences the rest of your life. When you’re a child, that’s all you know. So then you carry those patterns, how to operate and how you see life, what actions to take, how you behave in your adult life.
Dorothy: So give me an example.
Lolita: So here’s an example that, [00:03:00] um, answers in, in the very easily understandable the way I said. So let’s say we have right now a conversation and you know, before we came in here, we heard some some kids playing outside and you know, there was some noises. So imagine that I come from childhood trauma and I have seen a lot of suffering and pain and violence and anger. So if I hear those kids, I could immediately trigger me and I’ll be like, oh my gosh, somebody’s in distress. I need to go save them. Probably my heart will already be faster. Because it reminds me, me as a child. So it brings all those memories, those triggers, because I had a traumatic childhood. But let’s say you had peaceful and loving childhood, you’ll hear those kids outside and you’ll say, they [00:04:00] just playing around. You just probably found a frog or something. So it’s the same situation. I’ll be more stressed than you are because you are basing everything that you’re experiencing right now through the lens of what you, what you used to when you were a child.
Dorothy: Well, do we carry that with us forever?
Lolita: So we, yes. It’s kind of like, so here, I love taking, giving examples. So let’s say we are born and we have a pieces, like, um, you have a, a domino game, right? And everybody gets handed a piece. And you have to play with this in your life. And it looks like it’s so depressing. And you know, when I discovered that a lot of my stress and how I react to stress and how hypervigilant I was and you, all of those things that we can talk about later, uh, when I discovered that it was because my dad was alcoholic and I, when he was an adult child of alcoholic and I was like, oh my gosh, this is it. My [00:05:00] life is over. It was very depressing because. I thought, well, I’m broken. This is for me. Um, but here’s the catch. Just because we’re being given that piece one, two, or three dominoes in our hand and we think we lost it, we just need to turn around and see that there’s a big box of those dominoes over there.
You can come and get whatever you want, but the many times that nobody explained to us that we have an option to go and pick something else, or even permission to go and get it. And I think that’s what the true stress management and everything in our lives that really has to do how we grow up and what, um, action steps we’re going to take in our adult life has to do with, are we really giving ourselves permission to get better?
To say, you know what, that’s okay. What happened to me in the childhood? I’m not gonna use this as a crush crutch. I’m going to use this. As a, as a tool that can [00:06:00] help me to be better, to help to other people, to help in this situation, to understand them better, to have empathy, to know what it means to walk in these shoes. So when I look at my childhood, I’m like, yeah, maybe it was tragic, but now I think the more I can connect to the people and give them permission to say, it’s okay to be you, there’s nothing wrong with you. There is plenty of pieces in the in the box over there. You just can go and get it. I think then that’s how we can change not all our own lives, but also does that all around us.
Dorothy: Wow. And you just discovered all this?
Lolita: That was about 10 years ago when I discovered this.
Dorothy: Okay. And were you in any program or you just did some inner searching? How, how did all that come about?
Lolita: Um, so I, for those who listening in and thinking, I cannot quite get her accent where she’s from. Um, I came from Lithuania. And that was 25 years ago. Yeah. Well, I guess I was [00:07:00] just a baby because I’m still very young. Um, and, uh, I came here for American Dream. I was like, I am, by the way, a fun fact. Uh, my, I was born on 4th of July.
Dorothy: Mm.
Lolita: The only date in the history class I did need to learn because I’m like, Hey, you know, I know on United States of America Independence Day on my birthday.
Dorothy: Yeah.
Lolita: And I kind of felt like I never belonged there, and I always knew I have. I just knew that I have to come to this country and I’m like, and my birthday says I have to be here. And you know, when I was born I was still Soviet Union. And um, and I remember my mother said, stop telling this to people. You’re gonna sound crazy. I’m like, I know I’m gonna go there and look at me. I’m here. And so when I came to this country, I worked very hard because there were opportunities and like if I’m going to work hard, I will show up and I’ll succeed. And what really happened? Um, I worked for one company, another one, and you know, when they say I work for corporate, it [00:08:00] doesn’t mean that you work more than somebody else works. Small business, especially business owners, they work 24 hours a day. You know, you are always thinking. You are responsible not only for your own family, but also for the families that you employ. So that’s even more stress. Right?
Dorothy: Right.
Lolita: Um, and got to the point that I just got physically ill because I was taking on more work. I was afraid to say, no, I cannot do this. I’m overworked. If the coworker comes and says, Hey, can you help me with this presentation? I’m like, oh yeah, sure. Of course I’ll do it. I’m like, I’m thinking, I have no idea I’m gonna do this, but I’ll do it. And, and I’m, what I’m saying is this, there’s nothing unique here. A lot of that, you know, um, a lot of people, and not only just say all women are always working, and men just, they take care of themselves more. No, that’s not true. Everyone is doing the best that they can. And most of the time that comes from a [00:09:00] fear because you’re afraid to be let go of. You are afraid that somebody say, oh, you’re not working enough. We’ll, we’ll never give you a raise. Um, and I just worked so much that, uh, my body said, okay, that’s enough. Uh, it totally messed up my hormones. And women know how hormones are. I basically, um end up in the emergency room where the doctor said, that’s good that you came in today, and if you have been tomorrow, you’ll probably be dead. And, um, oh, and I.
Dorothy: So what was the diagnosis? I mean, how, what had happened?
Lolita: I almost blessed to death.
Dorothy: Oh.
Lolita: That was all hormones and hormones. Because.
Dorothy: ‘Cause of the stress.
Lolita: Of the stress and uh, I was in my thirties, I’m like, what you talking about? I’m like, I’m supposed to be go, go, go. But the truly what happened is this, we all can take up some stress, but then we cannot be [00:10:00] constantly in this fight or flight. We, we can’t. Right? We have to rest. But because I came from a very traumatic childhood. By default, I was always in hypervigilance and anxiety. For me to be scared or worried and constantly have a high heartbeat, that’s like my normal. So when I’m keep on going and I’m never stopping that, that’s, that’s what I, I live. When I applied more stress into my body, that’s when my body said, are you kidding me? I cannot go like that forever. And, um, after, you know, when I woke up in the middle of the night with the, on the floor, on the kitchen floor With the dishes, I mean, with a glass of water, uh, broken. And I was like, okay, this is, this is a serious issue. That was the time when I said, okay. I need to take care of my stress. But you know how popular, uh oh. You just go And I had, [00:11:00] I had some people telling me, just go to the doctor. They give you some pill and you’ll be fine. And it just didn’t feel right to me because it was like, you know, the, when you look outside and I’m sure the grass that grew through this concrete, uh, on the, on the path probably was stressing to come out.
But somehow nature does it. Then it’s, you know, the animals know how to de-stress. But we humans just keep on going. And that’s when they started investing more in, okay, time management or what can I do? Learning boundaries, uh, learning to say no to people. Oh boy, that was very scary. Um, and so I started doing few things here or there and healthy.
Eating and working, having exercise. Even allowing myself just to walk for 15 minutes outside, um, I became very passionate about that. So I was telling my friends and, and I remember I was in this one party and, and the, uh, lady says, you know, you have, you’re [00:12:00] so passionate about that you should be a coach. And I’m like, coach, what does that mean? Because, you know, coach, we think like a swimming coach that always blows the, the whistle and tells you how fast you need to go. But when I realized that that’s how I can. Um, share my story and inspire people to actually start in taking care of themselves because they can’t take care of everyone else around them.
Um, that’s how I became a coach, but the stress connection and the adult alcoholics, that’s what came, um, into play when I was already coach and I was reading a book about how to build clients and then how to get to, you know, business going and that, and the author and I, I forgot what the, what the author name was, but she shared the story that she was from a wounded household where her dad was alcoholic. And that was the first time that adult children alcoholics terminology was, um, introduced to me. And [00:13:00] then it totally made sense. I got the book that she recommended to read. I finished in two days. I just sit down and just read the whole thing. And every page I was going through, I was like, oh my gosh, that, that, that’s me.
And I never thought that my childhood somehow impacted my stress. Like never, because I thought I’m just working hard, you know? Like this is came, stress came from that. It didn’t come from, um, that I have all of those beliefs and those patterns that, uh, really, uh, not helping me. They, they injuring me and I need to really address them. So when they say stress management, uh, you know, they get asked a lot of, what are the stress management tools and tips and tricks? Uh, yes. Maybe, uh, meditation in yoga and di and diary writing. That’s helping you. But that is a bandage. So you have a wound that’s bleeding. It needs attention, but we put the bandage on.
That’s why you can be in the yoga practice and if you are [00:14:00] afraid that your husband’s gonna leave you or you’re gonna lose your job, or you’re afraid of somebody looking at your body and saying, oh, she just fat, that yoga practice, it makes no sense. Because we have to address the wounds. We need to address what the childhood we come from.
We need to address what are, what are those patterns that we’ll learn in our childhood that we keep on caring in our adult life. So now I talk a lot about stress management that has to do with those patterns and how we can help ourselves truly that we can help.
Dorothy: So when you’re talking about patterns, what was one of the patterns you had come to grips with that, that you’d seen in your life?
Lolita: So as I wrote in my book, stress Management for Adult Children Alcoholics, I have 25 chapters that I talk about all of those patterns. If one chapter has one thing, talk about another one, and I probably write another 50 chapters of those. But [00:15:00] uh, you know, if someone says, oh, I don’t have any trauma, um, we all have. Uh, human experience itself, it’s very traumatic. Let’s just think about birth. We’re already starting, uh, with the trauma. But it doesn’t mean that everybody has a big trauma. For somebody is a smaller trauma than for somebody is a bigger trauma. But it, and also we need to understand that it’s okay if we admit that yes, it was, it was stressful, it was traumatic.
And not immediately assume the label I’m broken, something’s wrong with me. Um, and so for example, if um, someone says, oh no, I’m, I’m, I’m, I’m great. And they say, okay, um, are you good of setting your own boundaries? Are you good of saying no? When somebody disrespects you, uh, when somebody tells you to do something against your own beliefs or values, or they really hurting you, are you telling them to stop? How good are you in [00:16:00] people pleasing? Do you Always want to make sure that everybody in your environment taken care of?
Dorothy: Right.
Lolita: Are you seeking validation constantly? You’re afraid what people will tell about you? Are you feeling always worried about everything? And, uh, if we all afraid, those who don’t know how to manage, um, and learn how to manage that stress, I say we are afraid of tomorrow because we’ve been hurt by the past.
Dorothy: That makes sense. But also what you’re talking about with the fear factor, it’s kinda like you could lay that over anything, you know, either. So is part of your message that we have to come to love ourselves just like we are?
Lolita: The ultimate is accepting who you are, the good and bad and ugly and all that. But also who says it’s bad? Who says it’s ugly? It’s really judgment that I think comes from generation to [00:17:00] generation. Um.
Dorothy: Now I know you’ve told all this to us in your book, but for those that might not get through it, you know, give us one, one thing you did for you that just, that anybody could do or relate to. When you were going through all of this, understanding what had happened to you.
Lolita: The number one thing, I think someone can help themselves, um, with self-love and stop judging yourself.
Dorothy: Well, how do you do that? That’s very easy to say, but every moment of the day we’re looking at ourselves and saying, oh, you shouldn’t have done that. Or, oh, you could have done that better. Or, you know, look at how you look today. I mean, come on. That’s our self-talk, right?
Lolita: Yes. And, uh, you know, it was really, uh, uh, opened my eyes when they heard, they say, you talk to yourself the way your parents were talking to you.
Dorothy: Mm. So how do you talk to yourself? Yeah.
Lolita: I used to talk to myself very [00:18:00] negatively. Yeah. Now I, when I look at the mirror, I give myself at least three compliments.
Dorothy: Ah, as you start every day or anytime.
Lolita: Anytime I see a mirror.
Dorothy: Oh.
Lolita: But everything starts with the, uh, catching yourself.
Dorothy: Okay.
Lolita: And how do you catch yourself? How do you feel? If you can, if you can catch yourself, how something makes you feel, that’s where you start asking yourself, okay, where is this really coming from? Or you catch yourself saying, oh, I’m such a loser. Oh, I’m going to be late again. And, and you feel like you’re uncomfortable. What starts with acknowledging what it is? And then you go deeper. You then ask yourself, okay, why am I feeling this way? Why am telling myself, for example, oh, you are always late, and then you, you, it starts questioning, okay, uh, where is this really coming from?
Where did they get the idea that I’m a loser? Why did, did they get the idea that I’m always late or I’m not gonna get something, I’m not gonna succeed in something. Or I look [00:19:00] fat or ugly or whatever. And then you will remember somebody told you when you were a child that you that way. And many times it does not come from the place of somebody who wants to really hurt us.
It comes from the place where they say, oh, I love you so much. That’s why I don’t want you to look that way. But we also need to realize that, uh, the, the people in front, um, before us, they were doing the best they could as well because the way we looked that. Showed who they are. And since I think the fear and seeking validation and just the human need of feeling safe, it’s really goes from generation to generation.
And the biggest, uh, you know, when I discovered that I wasn’t a Dutch alcoholic, I got very angry at my parents. I was like, how dare they? I mean, I was just a child and you behave like this. I supposed to, uh, you supposed to be there for me. Like, why would [00:20:00] you do this to me? But then they realized, well, my parents are also children.
Dorothy: True.
Lolita: My grandparents are also children. And it goes from generation to generation. And that’s where I understood that you need to have empathy not only towards yourself, but also everyone around you because you dunno what happened to them. Everybody’s doing the best they can that given moment, but you still have a right to decide what you will think this moment. So when you catch yourself negatively speaking to yourself or judging, you can ask yourself, okay, where’s this really coming from? Oh, I remember my mother used to say that. Oh, but you know what? I remember my grandmother used to say the same thing to my mother. Like, well, of course they’re coming from so much of pain and suffering, and the image was very important to them.
Because, as you know, we are humans that we need to be belonging in the group. Otherwise we think we die. So we are afraid to be expelled from [00:21:00] it. So we’ll do whatever it takes for us to belong to the group, even if it feels wrong. So when I started catching myself that I was judgemental and I realized, oh, this is just basically my mom talking, or that’s basically my grandma talking, or the culture, the generation, the whatever, something’s talking, I start disqualifying.
And you just ask, okay, how right are they? When you are a child and you’re five years old, that’s probably, you believe you need to listen to your parents because if you’re not, if you won’t get fed, you’ll die. But now you’re an adult, so this mean you really can’t take care of yourself. You can’t feed yourself.
Are you really truly going to die? Well, no, you can’t take care of yourself. So then you ask yourself, okay, well that person who was giving me this, this, uh. Whatever they were telling me about, are they qualified even to tell me this? So for example, okay, I’m you always late. I’m like, well, no, that’s, I’m not always late.
Also, they were late in their life too. So, [00:22:00] uh, and I say, you don’t go to a dentist to get a haircut. Right. Makes no sense. Okay. But then for example, if, let’s say your father continuously were telling you that you late, but he himself been late before. That just disqualifies it like, well, you cannot really tell me what to do because you kind of had the same things happen to you as well.
But if you add to that empathy and understanding that, well, probably my father was telling me this because he didn’t want that. I will be late. And then, you know, people will say, oh, she’s always late. And he was just trying to protect me in the way. And also he was trying to protect himself. And when you put the empathy into that, you’re like, oh, okay. And now I know why that happened, but it doesn’t mean that right now, this moment. Uh, I should listen to my own judgment because there is a reason why that happened. And then I start really talking to myself and going through this process. I was like, oh, well actually it’s not that bad. This is just really playing to my [00:23:00] fears and I’m not gonna die now. So, and that start changing for me.
Dorothy: But, and I don’t mean to, but how did you take that time? I mean, most people are not gonna do that kind of self-exploration.
Lolita: I had say change happens only two ways. Number one, you can get very inspired to do something. Number two, you should be in such a pain that you want to change. When someone gets to the point where they don’t want their life to be the same, you are ready for the change. Maybe at the beginning, someone, they will not pay attention how judgmental they are to themselves.
But later on, if they really want to, they will start catching that. And they’ll say, oh wow, I just judge myself. So the more time you spend on allowing yourself [00:24:00] without the emotional label of, oh, this is, something’s wrong about that, don’t judge yourself on judging yourself. You know, allow yourself to just like, okay. Oh. But then it will becomes like a habit. And I, I don’t say that I don’t judge myself. I probably still, uh, you know, uh, half the time I’m still probably judge myself, but I am more cautious now.
Dorothy: Well, you’re kinder to yourself too when you, when you catch yourself doing that. Yeah. So how do, when you have someone who’s a client that comes to you, what are the steps you go through to, to begin help to help her or him with that change.
Lolita: Usually it always starts with what are you doing already that helps you with your stress management.
Dorothy: Ah.
Lolita: And what didn’t work? But it gives me information. But at the end of the day, that’s the person who does the work. And the one question I always [00:25:00] ask that nobody likes. And those who listening in, they can ask themselves when they describe me a situation and they say, for example, uh, I have a lot of business owners that come and they say, I’m burned out. I, I cannot do this anymore. My health, my hormones. You know, if there’s a woman, they’re like, I already have health problems and I need to take care of my stress and I dunno how to do it. I’m burn out. And, um. They have businesses, they have to take care of their comp. I mean, you, you get the just, and, um, I just say, and, and how is that helping you? How is that working out for you? Why is this working for you?
Dorothy: And what, how do people respond?
Lolita: And immediately it’s like, what do you mean it’s not working for me? I mean, that’s why I’m here. It’s like, but there is a reason why you’re doing this. And then there’s, yes, there’s a reason because I want to take care of my family. I want to, and then like, okay, so you burn out because why? And they say, well, [00:26:00] because I have to work so much. Okay. And you’re working so much because basically you ca asking yourself to the point that you realize that the things that you do, because you’re afraid, you’re afraid to be excluded.
You are, especially with workaholics, it’s. You keep on running to the horizon. But why? Because you want to be accepted. You want to be loved. And you think if I’m going to do that much, then I will be loved. Uh, then they will see me for who I am. Then I’ll mean something, then I’ll be safe. So I think at the end of the day, no matter what we do, all the stress really coming from fear and it’s like how is that working out for you?
Because you think if you’re going to work enough and if you’re gonna be burned out, then it shows that you are useful. And, you know, I love this. Um, I, I watch obviously and read a lot [00:27:00] and study, uh, uh, Dr. Gabor Mate a lot, and, um, it totally makes sense to me. The first time I heard it says, for those who constantly working, you know, and the high achievers, uh, it really comes from, uh, childhood patterns that we learned that if we not useful. Will be kicked outta the group and hence we die. So if you are this child that grew up of thinking, I need to have the best grades and I need to compete with my siblings because you know, parents didn’t have enough time to attend to everyone, you’ll grow up this high achiever who continuously want to run to the horizon that you never will achieve.
Because it’s not about the horizon, it is about you not feeling safe. And so we need to always ask ourselves, why am I doing this? And there’s always the, the top layer of like, I’m doing this to get the money. I’m, I’m taking care of everyone. But at the end of the day, it’s about you not feeling safe. You are afraid.
Dorothy: It’s hard for [00:28:00] people to admit.
Lolita: That’s why you need to have a coach.
Dorothy: No, but it is, it’s, it’s very hard. We, we have our, um our costumes that we wear, we have our personalities that we hide behind. It’s very hard to say, I don’t feel safe here.
Lolita: It’s, uh, takes a lot of courage. Also, I notice, uh, you know, when they go to events and they speak in the, I, I have all the time there are people come to me and they say, oh my gosh, I, you know, everybo, everyone needs you. You know, I am, I’m struggling so much with stress. And they say, okay, so do you wanna, uh, book a session with me? And I immediately get, uh, but I, and I know why it is, like you said, it takes courage. But also in our society, you know, when you meet someone, you say, so how are you doing? And. You didn’t hear any, I mean, tell me, do you hear people say, oh my gosh, I’m just having the, you know, the time of [00:29:00] my life, I’m just traveling around the world.
I, you know, yesterday I did nothing. I was just reading a book all day and, and, uh, I don’t go to work anymore. It stresses me out. Like, no, you don’t hear that. Everybody’s stressing out because we, I think we say that we busy and we burn out, and we stressed out as a batch of honor in society. Because it has to do with like you telling I am needed.
Dorothy: Don’t discard me.
Lolita: I’m so important.
Dorothy: Yeah.
Lolita: I’m important. Don’t discard me, right? I am gonna be productive. I’m So when it comes to, okay, are you gonna take care of your stress now? It’s like, this is very scary because like you said, that’s your, uh, identity. That’s who you are. So who are you going to become when you don’t have that stress in your life?
You losing yourself. It’s like, oh, who am I going to be then? But also it has to do a lot of loyalties. Again, it’s fear based, but. Loyalties is when you are not going to go against your family now, because that’s, that’s, that’s who you are. [00:30:00] That’s your identity. You belong to that group of people. So if you are going to say, now I’m not stressed anymore, what are those are the people will think of you.
And, and I think it’s, I think it’s hilarious when we think that traditions, you know, we, we carry from generation to generation and I heard someone said them. Traditions are just imposed by dead people like, and I’m like, okay. And while they’re not here anymore and we continuously doing something, then maybe it’s not even working anymore for us.
But we still continue doing that out of loyalty and you know, and if you think that if the same mind that created the problem, cannot solve it. And, but if you’re gonna continue the same mind, how, so however, we will arrive to the place that we can solve anything, which is gonna be in the same rolling, in vicious circles.
Dorothy: Vicious cycle. Yeah.
Lolita: And so that takes courage for you to say and let go of that loyalty and say, I, I want to get out of this and I want to be [00:31:00] healthy. And those, those owners, that the business owners, that they come to me and they say, I’m so, and here’s one trick. Um, every hour put an alarm on and do nothing for one minute. Simple. Right? But how many of those listeners immediately thought to themselves, there’s no way I’m gonna do this. I don’t have time for this. And this is what they hear a lot from my clients too. And they say, okay, so you telling me you cannot even find one minute in one hour. But it’s not about that you don’t have time.
It’s about, again, about the fear that they. We’ll use this minute for something and they will be left behind and they say, you don’t understand. I have family, I have business. And then they say, okay, so let’s say you’ll get sick and you’ll be in the hospital dying. Who’s gonna take care of those kids, that family in their business?
But then it’s gonna be too late. So we need to find enough [00:32:00] courage to tell ourselves that if we want to take care of those that we love. We need to take care of ourselves because you cannot really pitch out of, you cannot pour out of empty pitch.
And in our society, the, the sacrifice through generations is being, you need to give, give, give, give, give, give yourself away and then you’ll be worship. But I think that’s what really needs to start changing. We need to all give ourselves permission and everyone else. To say it’s okay to take care of yourself because then you can’t take care of those that you love.
Dorothy: So Lolita, we’re gonna stop right here and then we’re gonna pick this up in a second episode. ‘Cause I want you to talk about your Calm Method and, and I think a lot of what you’re saying is exactly what we hear from our breast cancer survivors who realize there came a time in [00:33:00] their life when they had to take care of themselves. I think that’s such an important message. So stay right where you are, and we’re gonna take a little shift here.
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